Finding the size of a string in argv using sizeof

This is more of a conceptual question at this point rather than a practical one but it is really bothering me.

Let us say I have a c program called "test.c" and I want to find the number of spaces in array there are for a word the user types in as an argument. For example "./test.c test_run" should print 9 because there are 8 characters and then one for the null terminating character. When I try to use sizeof on argv though I am having some trouble.

int  main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
    char buf10[10];
    printf("The size of buf10 is: %i.\n", sizeof(buf10));
    return 0;
}

Prints the result: "The size of buf10 is: 10.". This makes sense because I chose a char array. In C, the size of a char is 1 byte. If I chose int, this number would be 4.

Now my question is why can't I do this with argv?

int  main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
    printf("argv[1] has the value: %s\n", argv[1]);
    printf("strlen of argv[1] is: %i\n", strlen(argv[1]));
    printf("sizeof of argv[1] is: %i\n", sizeof(argv[1]));
    return 0;
}

Ran with "./test Hello_SO" gives the output:

argv[1] has the value: Hello_SO
strlen of argv[1] is: 8
sizeof of argv[1] is: 4

The string length makes sense because it should be 9 but minus the "\0" makes 8.

However I do not understand why sizeof is returning 4 (the size of the pointer). I understand that *argv[] can be thought of as **argv. But I accounted for this already. In my first example i print "buf" but here i print "argv[1]". I know I could easily get the answer by using strlen but as I said earlier this is just conceptual at this point.

Solution

Pointers and arrays are not the same thing, though they are quite similar in many situations. sizeof is a key difference.

int arr[10];
assert(sizeof arr == (sizeof(int) * 10));
int *ip;
assert(sizeof ip == sizeof(int*));

The type of arr above is int[10]. Another way to see the difference between array types and pointers is by trying to assign to them.

int i;
ip = &i; // sure, fine
arr = &i; // fails, can't assign to an int[10]

arrays cannot be assigned to.

What is most confusing is that when you have an array as a function parameter, it actually is the same has having a pointer.

int f(int arr[10]) {
    int x;
    arr = &x; // fine, because arr is actually an int*
    assert(sizeof arr == sizeof(int*));
}

To address your question of why you can't use sizeof argv[1] and get the size of the string (plus the 1 for the \0), it's because it's a ragged array. In this case the first dimension is of unknown size, as well as the second. sizeof behaves like a compile time operation in this case, and the length of the string is not known until run time.

Consider the following program:

#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
    printf("%zu\n", sizeof argv[1]);
}

The assembly generated for this is:

.LC0:
    .string "%zu\n"
    .text
    .globl  main
    .type   main, @function
main:
.LFB3:
    .cfi_startproc
    subq    $8, %rsp
    .cfi_def_cfa_offset 16
    movl    $8, %esi        # this 8 is the result of sizeof
    movl    $.LC0, %edi     # the format string
    movl    $0, %eax
    call    printf          # calling printf
    movl    $0, %eax
    addq    $8, %rsp
    .cfi_def_cfa_offset 8
    ret
    .cfi_endproc

as you can see, the result of sizeof argv[1] is done at compile time, nothing above is computing the length of the string. I'm on 64-bit so my pointers are 8 bytes.